Another big fitna of moderators in Islam Community on Okrut
Her id is bolour
you can click here to look at her profile
you can click here to look at her profile
She has been supporting Disrespect of Sahaba Karam (RA) in the community. When she got Failed in protecting her sect girl sana now she has directly start attacking Respect of our beloved Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم
I am pasting here the post done by this gustakh bolour who is always ready to attack Sahaba Karam (RA) and now her real face is infront of everyone.
not only bolour but another munafiq Ozair aswell who is always supporting gustakhs.
11:44 am (9 hours ago)
Bolour
Less room to defend.
gining Sana was not given space to defend herself but on putting her defense majority of Moderators are not that anti- Sana.
Also note that some of here answers were twisted as well, just the way Usman's were
Members again exploited the situation alongwith ones involved too worsen the case. Especially death merchants, yeah the same group that was eager to send Usman to Allah before the will of Allah.
Now Mudassar has taken a decision to ban Sana for 7 days so cant say anything, but yes still there is advice for both Sana and Saifi.
To Sana: You are being asked not to post from misleading Sunni source, else you might face some harsh consequences in future.
Second thing ignore the people who show aggression on your SB, Basmah use to do that when she was targeted by right wingers for her liberal views and Sufi ways.
On being critical about Sahaba: Thats very much valid but should be carried out in civilized manner. People like Usman have said its fine to be critical and it should be carried out in that manner. But yes if Community has come with a new rule to ban alltogether Shiite ideology in Islam community then I cant say any more and in that case this might be last day with Islam community
To Saifi: You are being asked not to Moderate Sana in any given conditions, let the other 8 Moderators do that. Neither bring complaints of people like Omer, Kam and Amir in front of Moderator panel.
Reason: They have lost their credibility with the fitnah they created last month which involved Usman
Also note that some of here answers were twisted as well, just the way Usman's were
Members again exploited the situation alongwith ones involved too worsen the case. Especially death merchants, yeah the same group that was eager to send Usman to Allah before the will of Allah.
Now Mudassar has taken a decision to ban Sana for 7 days so cant say anything, but yes still there is advice for both Sana and Saifi.
To Sana: You are being asked not to post from misleading Sunni source, else you might face some harsh consequences in future.
Second thing ignore the people who show aggression on your SB, Basmah use to do that when she was targeted by right wingers for her liberal views and Sufi ways.
On being critical about Sahaba: Thats very much valid but should be carried out in civilized manner. People like Usman have said its fine to be critical and it should be carried out in that manner. But yes if Community has come with a new rule to ban alltogether Shiite ideology in Islam community then I cant say any more and in that case this might be last day with Islam community
To Saifi: You are being asked not to Moderate Sana in any given conditions, let the other 8 Moderators do that. Neither bring complaints of people like Omer, Kam and Amir in front of Moderator panel.
Reason: They have lost their credibility with the fitnah they created last month which involved Usman
for those who doesnt know the reality let me remind them that we caught this moderator usman using highly abusive language about our beloved Prophet (SAW) and raised this issue for which usman moderation was terminated in the Islam community.
after all that stand which was taken by Omer, Kam and Amir to defend the respect of our beloved Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم is declared fitna by this gustakh shia female who consider herself a muslim.
i really wonder if these moderators who are moderating islam community are really muslim or some kuffar using muslim ids and abusing our Sahaba Karam (RA) and Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم
click here to look at bolour post
click here to look at bolour post
Bolour Latest updates how she supports disrespect of Sahaba Karam (RA)
click here to take a look at the rules sami suggested for the respect of Sahaba Karam (RA) and how bolour is opposing it to defend her friends and herself
Remember usman gustakh issue when usman was removed from moderation
link of this post
click here to take a look at the rules sami suggested for the respect of Sahaba Karam (RA) and how bolour is opposing it to defend her friends and herself
Dec 12
Bolour
I'm not ready to accept this amendment, as this takes away our basic right to criticize those individuals whom we feel didn't lived upto the Islam brought by our Prophet.
This amendment asks me to accept a corrupted version of Islam, so I'm very much un-comfortable with it.
This one amendment turns this community into a anti-Shite/Anti ahle-Quran
Suggestion: Rename community into Barelwi Sunni Community
This amendment asks me to accept a corrupted version of Islam, so I'm very much un-comfortable with it.
This one amendment turns this community into a anti-Shite/Anti ahle-Quran
Suggestion: Rename community into Barelwi Sunni Community
Dec 12
Bolour
A few people think that criticism on Sahaba is permissible in Shia school and banning criticism on Sahaba would make this community a Sunni or an anti-Shai community.
I don’t think this is a fair argument.
Of course it is!
There are lots of things that are considered permissible by Sunni school but are still banned in this community.
Kindly show one
I don’t think this is a fair argument.
Of course it is!
There are lots of things that are considered permissible by Sunni school but are still banned in this community.
Kindly show one
Dec 12
Bolour
Fardeen must have many contributions in the community. But the moment he would write anything criticizing Sahaba the members would be quick to pick him as an anti-Sahaba person. Even if he never intended to degrade a Sahabi, or hurt the feelings of non-Shia members, the people would generally tend to forget about his previous contributions and would only remember him for one 2-liner post.
This happens as certain Moderators themselves enjoy a shiite being trashed around, else the ones who were creating the havoc should have been banned for 24 hours!
As I did in the case of Usman being trashed by Amir Ibraheem.
You are basically giving an excuse for un-just acts of certain members.
This happens as certain Moderators themselves enjoy a shiite being trashed around, else the ones who were creating the havoc should have been banned for 24 hours!
As I did in the case of Usman being trashed by Amir Ibraheem.
You are basically giving an excuse for un-just acts of certain members.
Remember usman gustakh issue when usman was removed from moderation
Dec 12
Bolour
Saifi
Thats what this resolution is all about to turn this community into Barelwi Islam community, but let me reassure you we wont let it happen.
Now let the blog making start, or the puppets will start their show in Islam community and later it would be asked to arrange the so called IM meeting with so called fakes?
Now let the blog making start, or the puppets will start their show in Islam community and later it would be asked to arrange the so called IM meeting with so called fakes?
Dec 13
Bolour
This amendment is quite childish (no offence) in nature.
To formulate my case I would bring to your notice the division of Muslims in sub continent, although there are four to five categories (Deoband, Barelvi, Shiite, Ahle Hadith, Ahle Quran and Modernists) but I will concentrate on Deoband and Barelwi.
Though both Deobandi and Barelvi sects derive their beliefs from the Hanafi school of jurisprudence but are at each other's throat most of the times.
Barelvis accuse Deobandis of being Wahhabis and Wahhbis are considered as terrorists by some Barelwis (as seen in the case of banned members)
On the other hand, some Deobandis (as seen in the case of Aby) accuse Barelvis of indulging in shirk by visiting dargahs, prostrating before graves and invoking favors from the dead. (Saifi, no need to come with you cut and paste gear as this posts is not for walls)
Another biggest dispute between these two is over Prophet. Barelvi put Prophet at a higher pedestal of being noor (shares divinity with Allah) while Deoband believe him to be mere bashar (human).
This is often observed from clashes among both sides in our community.
At this point I ask series of questions.
1) When deoband call Prophet a Bashar, would you consider it as an abuse to prophet or a sectarian topic?
To reject their claim of Prophet being Human being one will have to discard some of those hadiths by doing the drama of un-authentic that are considered true by
deoband.
As Barelvi reject so and so Hadith or term it weak, shall people consider that Barelvi are abusing Sahaba?
Dont avoid these question as they are quite important in context of things we are discussing.
To formulate my case I would bring to your notice the division of Muslims in sub continent, although there are four to five categories (Deoband, Barelvi, Shiite, Ahle Hadith, Ahle Quran and Modernists) but I will concentrate on Deoband and Barelwi.
Though both Deobandi and Barelvi sects derive their beliefs from the Hanafi school of jurisprudence but are at each other's throat most of the times.
Barelvis accuse Deobandis of being Wahhabis and Wahhbis are considered as terrorists by some Barelwis (as seen in the case of banned members)
On the other hand, some Deobandis (as seen in the case of Aby) accuse Barelvis of indulging in shirk by visiting dargahs, prostrating before graves and invoking favors from the dead. (Saifi, no need to come with you cut and paste gear as this posts is not for walls)
Another biggest dispute between these two is over Prophet. Barelvi put Prophet at a higher pedestal of being noor (shares divinity with Allah) while Deoband believe him to be mere bashar (human).
This is often observed from clashes among both sides in our community.
At this point I ask series of questions.
1) When deoband call Prophet a Bashar, would you consider it as an abuse to prophet or a sectarian topic?
To reject their claim of Prophet being Human being one will have to discard some of those hadiths by doing the drama of un-authentic that are considered true by
deoband.
As Barelvi reject so and so Hadith or term it weak, shall people consider that Barelvi are abusing Sahaba?
Dont avoid these question as they are quite important in context of things we are discussing.
Dec 13
Bolour
2) Next, its often observed that members have complained that portraying Prophet as noor and all knowing, offends their belief for no one shares such a status with Allah.
Again I ask where will this fall, abuse or sectarian topic?
For this they too have to discard certain Hadith on the grounds of weak hadith.
Shall we consider that Deoband too are abusers of Sahaba?
Answering these questions is a must to resolve the current issue.
3) Next, its observed that certain people dont like things to be posted from Islam Q&A website as it offends their belief.
Abuse or sectarian?
Some dont like the material posted from scholars like Dr Tahir ul Qadri
Abuse or sectarian?
Kindly give a long thought.
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Ok now lets move to part of criticsm.
Again I would give couple of examples to formulate my case.
1) Suppose some non-Muslim comes and Prophet's war were not defensive wars but aggressive wars. He looted the carvan like dacoits.
Remember when people like Zakir Naik (Sami is the moderator of Zakir Naik community) hear this, they chose to clear misconception by doing Dawah.
Now I ask what would be your reaction, abuse or criticism?
[Note:I myself know the difference between criticism and abuse. To your surprise I have banned many whose posts were more about abusing rather than criticism]
Again I ask where will this fall, abuse or sectarian topic?
For this they too have to discard certain Hadith on the grounds of weak hadith.
Shall we consider that Deoband too are abusers of Sahaba?
Answering these questions is a must to resolve the current issue.
3) Next, its observed that certain people dont like things to be posted from Islam Q&A website as it offends their belief.
Abuse or sectarian?
Some dont like the material posted from scholars like Dr Tahir ul Qadri
Abuse or sectarian?
Kindly give a long thought.
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Ok now lets move to part of criticsm.
Again I would give couple of examples to formulate my case.
1) Suppose some non-Muslim comes and Prophet's war were not defensive wars but aggressive wars. He looted the carvan like dacoits.
Remember when people like Zakir Naik (Sami is the moderator of Zakir Naik community) hear this, they chose to clear misconception by doing Dawah.
Now I ask what would be your reaction, abuse or criticism?
[Note:I myself know the difference between criticism and abuse. To your surprise I have banned many whose posts were more about abusing rather than criticism]
Dec 13
Bolour
2)
(i) Mr.Y says that he says we doesnt agree with the ruling of Muttah being Haram by Hazarat Umar(ra).
Mr.X asks why?
Mr.Y says, as Hazarat Umar (ra) stands in contradiction to Prophet.
Because this ruling contradicts Prophet' ruling of Muttah being hallal.
What will you consider this one? Abuse or criticsm?
If criticism, then another question is raised.
Why create a rule to ban such criticism?
Dont shiite have to deny the rulings passed after Prophet and contradicted his earlier rulings? How come both Deoband and Barelvi have the right to say certain Hadith is un-authentic and not be banned for such offense
Wouldnt it be bigotry to make others think the way you think?
(ii) Ms. A says that she cant agree upon Muslimahs denied to enter mosques
Mr. X asks why? As Hazarat Umar (ra) and Hazarat Aisha (as) told women to avoid coming to the mosques, and offer their prayers at home.
Ms.A says, here Hazarat Umar (ra) and Hazarat Aisha (as) stands in contradiction to Prophet as Prophet' allowed them to be part of Mosques all the times.
What will you consider this one? Abuse or criticsm?
As per Saifi and his dictionary, abuse.
As per sane ones, criticism.
To deny such criticism is to give rise to "in shell mentality" which is the slap to the theme of Islam to "question and examine by using your intellect."
(i) Mr.Y says that he says we doesnt agree with the ruling of Muttah being Haram by Hazarat Umar(ra).
Mr.X asks why?
Mr.Y says, as Hazarat Umar (ra) stands in contradiction to Prophet.
Because this ruling contradicts Prophet' ruling of Muttah being hallal.
What will you consider this one? Abuse or criticsm?
If criticism, then another question is raised.
Why create a rule to ban such criticism?
Dont shiite have to deny the rulings passed after Prophet and contradicted his earlier rulings? How come both Deoband and Barelvi have the right to say certain Hadith is un-authentic and not be banned for such offense
Wouldnt it be bigotry to make others think the way you think?
(ii) Ms. A says that she cant agree upon Muslimahs denied to enter mosques
Mr. X asks why? As Hazarat Umar (ra) and Hazarat Aisha (as) told women to avoid coming to the mosques, and offer their prayers at home.
Ms.A says, here Hazarat Umar (ra) and Hazarat Aisha (as) stands in contradiction to Prophet as Prophet' allowed them to be part of Mosques all the times.
What will you consider this one? Abuse or criticsm?
As per Saifi and his dictionary, abuse.
As per sane ones, criticism.
To deny such criticism is to give rise to "in shell mentality" which is the slap to the theme of Islam to "question and examine by using your intellect."
Dec 13
Bolour
Once Hazarat Umar (ra), announced that he would introduce a certain restriction to do with mahr. Right there an ordinary woman stood up and read a verse from Quran as opposed to the idea of Quran.
Now what does makes this woman? An abuser or critic?
What sentence we have for her as per the makers of movie Gustakh?
Behead her?
Here's what Hazarat Umar said: The women of this city have more understanding than than me.
Unfortunately present day Muslims are so happy to live with the mentality that puts them in shell.
They are hardly ready to reason, and thats where this community is heading with such proposals.
Lets make a charter, questioning is haram.
Lets make a charter, Islam is a blind faith, and any one finding questioning should be banned!
Now what does makes this woman? An abuser or critic?
What sentence we have for her as per the makers of movie Gustakh?
Behead her?
Here's what Hazarat Umar said: The women of this city have more understanding than than me.
Unfortunately present day Muslims are so happy to live with the mentality that puts them in shell.
They are hardly ready to reason, and thats where this community is heading with such proposals.
Lets make a charter, questioning is haram.
Lets make a charter, Islam is a blind faith, and any one finding questioning should be banned!
Dec 13
Bolour
Dr. Kizar
You yourself have agreed that Sahabas fought with each other criticized each other, just answer me were they on the path of Prophet fighting with with each other?
If they were not, then shouldn't we use precaution?
Is it too much to ask for?
One more thing, it saddens me when people start calling Shite abusers of Sahaba. Have you ever observed me or Fardeen ever compromising on Islamic principles?
Why can Deoband and Barelvi get away by saying that certain Hadith is un-authentic, while we are termed abusers? why?
Now people call Prophet all knowing, now this offends my belief as it puts Prophet in equal to Allah, so shall I start weeping here that such people should be banned?
Shall I too become a child as one party who is proposing such childish notions is doing?
If they were not, then shouldn't we use precaution?
Is it too much to ask for?
One more thing, it saddens me when people start calling Shite abusers of Sahaba. Have you ever observed me or Fardeen ever compromising on Islamic principles?
Why can Deoband and Barelvi get away by saying that certain Hadith is un-authentic, while we are termed abusers? why?
Now people call Prophet all knowing, now this offends my belief as it puts Prophet in equal to Allah, so shall I start weeping here that such people should be banned?
Shall I too become a child as one party who is proposing such childish notions is doing?
Dec 19 (4 days ago)
Bolour
Sami
After Daud's post I already said that I'm ready to re-consider my Stand.
But you cant just say thats its me and Fardeen who are blocking this notion and that to because of Shiite beliefs.
That was never the case to block this notion. This is for every Ibadi, every Quran only Muslim, and if go by the recent debunking of Hadith is Islam community then for Salaf as well.
Dr. Kizar, Daud, Ali, Raheel, Usman, Ozair too have shown no objections being critical of Sahaba as criticism is not abuse.
Thus it makes 8 in favor of criticism while 6 in objection of criticism.
Ali you have asked for reason of criticism, well Shiite do respect Sahaba they do believe that one should not blindly follow and respect an individual just for the reason that s/he benefited from our beloved Prophet's (saw)company.
Shiite deem adherence and respect of Sahaba based on what is learnt from Quran, Sunnah and history. Of course the sacrifices of Sahaba are appreciated but truth is determined in the light of Quran, Sunnah and Historical writings.
I tried to point out earlier how criticism turns into abuse as we rejected a certain narrator, this rejection becomes abuse.
Any way if people cant figure out the difference between criticism and abuse then I dont think they should run the English only community.
One more thingTo build up the case for amendment, Fardeen and some anti social elements case was given as an example.
Raheel's statement itself distinguishes between the offenders (anti-social elements) and the victim.
Not too hard to understand that Fardeen was victim while the one who started the thread and the one who joined him in assaulting Fardeen were offenders (anti social elements)
Despite of all this I was suprised to see such a notion of amendment was proposed.
I'm yet to see constitution being amended to appease anti-social elements.
But you cant just say thats its me and Fardeen who are blocking this notion and that to because of Shiite beliefs.
That was never the case to block this notion. This is for every Ibadi, every Quran only Muslim, and if go by the recent debunking of Hadith is Islam community then for Salaf as well.
Dr. Kizar, Daud, Ali, Raheel, Usman, Ozair too have shown no objections being critical of Sahaba as criticism is not abuse.
Thus it makes 8 in favor of criticism while 6 in objection of criticism.
Ali you have asked for reason of criticism, well Shiite do respect Sahaba they do believe that one should not blindly follow and respect an individual just for the reason that s/he benefited from our beloved Prophet's (saw)company.
Shiite deem adherence and respect of Sahaba based on what is learnt from Quran, Sunnah and history. Of course the sacrifices of Sahaba are appreciated but truth is determined in the light of Quran, Sunnah and Historical writings.
I tried to point out earlier how criticism turns into abuse as we rejected a certain narrator, this rejection becomes abuse.
Any way if people cant figure out the difference between criticism and abuse then I dont think they should run the English only community.
One more thingTo build up the case for amendment, Fardeen and some anti social elements case was given as an example.
Raheel's statement itself distinguishes between the offenders (anti-social elements) and the victim.
Not too hard to understand that Fardeen was victim while the one who started the thread and the one who joined him in assaulting Fardeen were offenders (anti social elements)
Despite of all this I was suprised to see such a notion of amendment was proposed.
I'm yet to see constitution being amended to appease anti-social elements.
Nov 5
Bolour
Since the generation of sahaaba was the best generation it would not be proper for us to even critcize them considering that they were on a very high status. Ali(ra) criticizing one of his co-sahaabis can be understood but lesser mortals like me who dont know even the basics of the religion properly should not criticise the sahaaba.
Maulana maududi(ra) was a great islamic writer but this is the mistake he committed and lost the confidence of sunni ulamas.
I understand that but we dont trust them blindly, we judge their actions in the light of Quran and History.
And secondly we are not running a Sunni community or are we? We are running Islamic community.
Here every one has a equal right to post. Be it Ahle-Hadith or Ahle Quran or Ahle-Sunnah or Ahul al-Bayt.
Maulana maududi(ra) was a great islamic writer but this is the mistake he committed and lost the confidence of sunni ulamas.
I understand that but we dont trust them blindly, we judge their actions in the light of Quran and History.
And secondly we are not running a Sunni community or are we? We are running Islamic community.
Here every one has a equal right to post. Be it Ahle-Hadith or Ahle Quran or Ahle-Sunnah or Ahul al-Bayt.
link of this post
This daughter of mutah is dieing to abuse and disrespect Sahaba Karam (RA) nauzubillah
